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02/03/2010

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Ken Eastburn

Wow, great word from Frank and great response from you.

The temptation is always to put the cart before the horse because the cart is much more attractive, experiential, and different.

But at the end of the day, it is discipleship that is going to win. If we can get the whole Church to move to a house church model, but do not make disciples, it will all be in vain. But if we focus on making disciples (something I believe the house church is often better positioned to do) then we will have already succeeded.

Chris James @chrisbjames

House church is a strategy. Discipleship and Spiritual formation are a goal. You're right, that we need to keep our horses ahead of our carts, lest we fail to distinquish which one holds the precious cargo.

Erik Fish

Bullseye, Felicity! If most of what we're doing is gathering Christians together who can argue the validity of house churches and talk about how to do it, we need serious course-correction. Jesus has more for us and He certainly cares more about the lost than that!

Among students planting simple churches, the ones who start with the lost and gather them around Jesus' teachings - these experience the most miracles and salvations. The ones who try to assemble Christians together and call it a simple church almost never bear fruit. The solution? I think we must take the risk of directly sending people to the lost, make disciples, and encourage the formation of church communities with the new believers. There is no other way I see a house/simple/organic church planting movement multiplying.

We can do it!

Felicity Dale

My concern is that if we (the simple/organic/house church movement) do not find a way to impact the world by making disciples and gathering them together in church communities, then we will become increasingly irrelevant in Kingdom terms. God will find a people that will fulfill his heartbeat for the lost.

Stan Meador

Felicity,

You've written about the realities of India and persecution. I lived in Bulgaria from 1993-1995, just four years after the fall of communism. I learned that under the communist regime the church was a purer church. People did not take part in church unless they were serious about following Jesus - the cost was just too high for people who were not serious to be there.

That may be where we face one problem with house/simple church or organic/missional church in the US. A lot of people will jump on the bandwagon thinking they'll take part in the latest church fad without knowing what it is actually about and what a commitment it actually requires.

As far as keeping the Great Commission in the forefront I believe we have to go all the way back and understand what the Great Commission actually is. Many believe the command is "go". The imperative in the Greek is the verb form of disciple. So, the command is "MAKE DISCIPLES". The Greek verb "go" is actually passive. So, the Great Commission is, "As you are going, MAKE DISCIPLES of all peoples..." Every follower of Jesus is to be making disciples as they go about their daily lives.

Blessings - Stan

Felicity Dale

Stan,

Great thoughts. We found the same in the UK too. Not that there was physical persecution, but there was plenty of ridicule. It made people think twice before they became disciples.

In this country I suspect a lot of home groups are being renamed as house churches because it has become fashionable. I'm guessing that the term "missional community" will suffer the same fate. It was one of a number of problems I foresaw that I wrote about in The Rabbit and the Elephant.

Thanks for the thoughts on the Great Commission too. The problem in this country is that many believers live and work in Christian enclaves and so "as they go" doesn't bring them into contact with those who don't yet know Jesus. So there may need to be some intentionality introduced--at least in terms of asking the Lord where He wants us to go.

Marty Nickel

Your first four sentences nail it, Felicity. Our mission is making disciples. The love and unity of meeting regularly with other believers supports that mission but doesn't alter it.

We need to consciously, vigorously communicate that realignment of priorities in every way available. I don't think there's a silver bullet. When persecution comes it will make the line between light and darkness more distinct. It will shake up traditionalists. We'll keep doing what we're doing.

Right now, today, we need to both make disciples and talk about it everywhere we have a voice.

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